Episode 185. Tapping (EFT) for Stress Reduction and Emotional Wellbeing (Part 1) with Peggy Oberthier.

Welcome to another episode of the In-situ health and fitness podcast! This week on the show, we have a very special guest, Peggy Oberthier. Teacher, Counselor and EFT practitioner.

In this special two-part episode, join us as we delve into the transformative world of Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT), commonly known as tapping. Our guest, Peggy Oberthier, a seasoned teacher, counselor, and certified EFT practitioner, shares her insights and experiences using EFT to promote emotional wellbeing and manage stress in educational settings.

Peggy brings over 25 years of expertise in student wellbeing to the conversation, highlighting the profound impact of EFT on stress reduction and emotional regulation among students and adults.

Learn about the effectiveness of EFT in addressing food cravings and promoting healthier habits among students and educators alike and much more!
Show notes and links:

The  main Australian website  with free resources and links to trainings and practitioners is this one:
https://www.petastapleton.com/

I trained with Craig Weiner and Alina Frank through: 
https://www.efttappingtraining.com/

00:00 Intro
00:40 What is EFT Tapping?
02:30 Clinical EFT requires specific targeting
06:55 Using tapping (EFT) to address specific emotions and events for stress reduction
13:28 Setting realistic goals for improving podcast interviewing abilities
19:51 Jack gets a session of EFT tapping
27:20 Using tapping (EFT) for stress reduction and emotional wellbeing
39:41 EFT is a tool to calm the body down in response to negative stress.
43:21 Tapping (EFT) shows significant stress reduction and immune system improvement.
45:26 How to find a trauma-informed practitioner for EFT.

Transcript

00:00:10:15 - 00:00:17:13
Unknown
All right. What is up everybody. we have Peggy Oberthier here with us. We are going to do some tapping.

00:00:19:10 - 00:00:35:17
Unknown
do you want to just explain what that is real quick? And then you're just going to run a real quick session. Yeah. So EFT tapping or it's known as emotional freedom techniques is a modality that is known as the fourth wave of psychology's energy psychology.

00:00:35:19 - 00:01:08:21
Unknown
And it was, invented by this Stanford engineer called Gary Craig. Sorry. My friend like, was and, basically it works with stimulating acupressure points on the body, and we, we, we narrowed it down to about eight for this particular modality. And while you're saying statements, and what it does is, is it calms the nervous system down and calms the body down to create a different relationship between a thought and your nervous system.

00:01:08:23 - 00:01:29:14
Unknown
So it's working at that arousal level of your body when you have a particular stressful thought. And as we say, the statements, that is just the truth of where you are at the moment. Whatever the negative thing that's happening in your, in your body at the time or in your mind at the time, we tap on them.

00:01:29:14 - 00:02:04:02
Unknown
And it's basically a combination of acupressure points, exposure therapy, talk therapy, and with this somatic element and it calms the body down. So I don't know if I've given that enough justice because there are some incredible experts in this area who've, explained it in very succinct ways. yeah. So that's EFT is a very quick tool, for people to use to basically self-soothe and to reduce stress, in any kind of, you know, any kind of situation.

00:02:04:05 - 00:02:25:03
Unknown
Yeah. Sounds good. when you did first tell me about this, I went home and looked it up and did try it. I obviously tried to follow along on a YouTube video, so I'm gonna I'm excited to say the difference. So everybody listening along or watching, obviously it's going to be very different with a professional doing it in person to watching and following along.

00:02:25:05 - 00:03:00:09
Unknown
Yeah. Well, the I have trained in through itI international, which is evidence based, you know, training program that is quite rigorous. And we learn the evidence based or clinical EFT protocols and what you see on YouTube and what you see in the apps, they're very generalized sort of, guidelines about a particular emotion. So you're would be tapping on anxiety in general, the way that clinical EFT works, evidence by C of T is that you have to get very specific with whatever that element is.

00:03:00:09 - 00:03:22:13
Unknown
That or the, the, the issue that you're, stressed about or upset about or sad or angry. And so I, I think that, people that have tried it on the apps and tried it on YouTube, they haven't really found the benefits because they're tapping to generalized. I mean, if you say, I feel angry, well, you might have a thousand things you're angry about in your lifetime.

00:03:22:15 - 00:03:50:11
Unknown
You are ever no, you're not going to get from, you know, a high level. So with tapping, we give it a subjective score out of ten. So ten, meaning that it's really intense emotion and then zero it's not. And then we have a setup statement. So we basically just say even though I have this frustration because I cannot find a car park, in front of my house and it's raining, and I feel this frustration in my shoulders as it feels tense.

00:03:50:11 - 00:04:16:21
Unknown
I'm trying to accept myself anyway, and we say that three times, tapping on the side of the hand as the starting point, and then you're tapping through the points. Essentially, after that, this frustration, this frustration, this frustration on the side of the I, I should actually say it out loud exactly what I'm doing right. And this situation under the eye, under the nose and, between the lip and the chin and just at the top of the collarbone.

00:04:16:23 - 00:04:42:21
Unknown
And the last one is underneath the arm. And so you're tapping on those points. And as I'm saying, the statements, this frustration, this frustration, this frustration, I'm actually calming my body because we're actually stimulating the vagus nerve, which is responsible for that parasympathetic parasympathetic nervous system. and what you might notice when you have an like a feeling is that you actually also have a somatic element.

00:04:42:23 - 00:05:05:13
Unknown
When you talk to people about anxiety, it's usually in the stomach or they might their throat might constrict or they have a heaviness in their chest. When you're talking about anger, there's like tension in the shoulders. There's tension in the body. And or my, you know, and I can see it when I'm working with clients, sometimes they start talking and then their whole body starts shaking and their knees start.

00:05:05:18 - 00:05:41:17
Unknown
And I said, it makes you feel jittery. Yes. It makes you feel jittery. And so what we're doing is we're recognizing that somatic element. We're saying the statement and as we're stimulating these acupressure points, which are scientifically proven, through, you know, Chinese meridian, studies, it actually calms the body down. It actually. Yeah. So we're it's like we're releasing energy blocks in the meridian system and the and by by accepting ourselves, we're allowing ourselves just to really ride the wave of an emotion in a safe, calm way.

00:05:41:22 - 00:06:03:24
Unknown
And so CBT works brilliantly. There's lots of other modalities. but this one's really quick. And this is what I really like about it. Okay. Sounds good. It. Can we do it with us too? Yeah. At the same time. Yeah. So this is a wonderful thing called borrowed benefits. So as we're tapping along and somebody is saying the statements it works really well in groups.

00:06:04:01 - 00:06:25:15
Unknown
You will you will probably relate to some elements or some emotion that Jack is having. And you'll also be calming your body down at the same time. And as you're calming your nervous system down, there's the mirror neuron effect as well. So I'm calming my nervous system down as I'm working with you, okay. And so then you're then picking up on my calm body.

00:06:25:17 - 00:06:49:18
Unknown
If I'm calm and it's really, really interesting because when you work with clients who are super, super sensitive and almost can, they're like these highly sensitive individuals, like super empathic, if you are nervous, angry, worried, whatever they're working on, they'll actually feel that. And you can, you know, that the that you're actually not fully present in and and working on them.

00:06:49:18 - 00:07:15:21
Unknown
So and this has happened to me when I'm working with students in the schools. So they might be saying to me, oh, I got, I had a panic attack and the teacher wouldn't let me out. So we're tapping and it starts to reduce. And then all of a sudden I have a thought. I'm so angry at that teacher for not letting this kid leave the classroom because she was meant to have a well-being pass, and then all of a sudden it gets stuck and I go, oh, you're feeling my anger?

00:07:15:21 - 00:07:36:24
Unknown
Oh no. Okay, I'm going to release my anger now. And and yeah, it's just like, yes, I can feel your anger. That's how like, that's how sensitive some of the clients are. so yeah. So getting back to the point is that you will actually, Yeah, it'll benefit Jack so that. Yeah. So what, like, for demonstration like this, we want to just we want to kind of.

00:07:37:00 - 00:07:56:21
Unknown
You're obviously not going to tell me any childhood trauma. All right. Yeah. because, we what we want to do is just kind of hit something that is, you know, like 0 to 10. It's it's just something that annoys you or thinking about a future event, that you might be nervous or worried about or something that happened recently that that bugged you.

00:07:56:21 - 00:08:19:05
Unknown
So with the two, we get very specific and we talk about events or situations. so for example, in schools where I'm working at the moment, a kid will say, like come in tears going, I can't write the I can't write the mouse test. I say, okay, well, you know, tell me about what's happening for you. And they go, oh, I just can't do it.

00:08:19:05 - 00:08:47:04
Unknown
I can't do it. So when we drill down, it's actually you get really specific. Oh, it's actually just the linear equations. She doesn't know. So then we start typing, even though I have all this fear because I don't understand linear equations, I'm trying to accept myself anyway. So even though I have all this fear and I feel it in my chest, and, I'm trying to accept myself anyway, so then we talk through the points and we get down to the end, and once the body is calm, what I really love about EFT is that the prefrontal cortex comes back online.

00:08:47:07 - 00:09:06:22
Unknown
That's your problem solving and thinking part of your brain. And then all of a sudden, these lovely teenagers, I haven't given them any advice. They just go, oh, I think I'll just sit beside Olivia and I'll email the teacher. Yeah, I'll go, that's a great idea. Look at the how. So this is what I love about is it when you're having a really stressful, really bad stress response?

00:09:06:24 - 00:09:25:19
Unknown
We know what we you know, the teenagers flip their lids, adults do the same thing. Our prefrontal cortex is offline. We can't actually come up for solutions like so one, as EMT practitioners, we're not actually saying you should try this or have you tried that? We're literally calming their body down. Then all of a sudden all this wisdom comes out.

00:09:25:21 - 00:09:50:21
Unknown
So this is, you know, so if you want to choose something that maybe I don't know. So give me, give me a particular, topic that you might want to run with Jack here. okay. I'm worried that this podcast won't perform as good as I want. okay. Yeah. Okay. So that is okay. This is an interesting, topic.

00:09:50:21 - 00:10:15:11
Unknown
So. When what I want to do now as a practitioner is just, I want to drill down because that is still quite general. Yeah. Okay. So what I'm picking up is that you might there might be some other there other things with previous podcasts that have disappointed you. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess I don't want to put in all this work.

00:10:15:11 - 00:10:43:20
Unknown
Get you in. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, something go wrong or, you know, people don't watch it. You don't get the value out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or I guess maybe I don't do a good job at interviewing you enough to get some good information. Yeah. I see. Okay. All right. So. Okay, so when you think about that worry 0 to 1010 is like, it's a really intense worry zero.

00:10:43:21 - 00:11:11:16
Unknown
There's no worry at all. Where do you sit? Maybe 6A6. Okay. All right. And so when you're thinking about, out of all of those things that you mentioned, what's the thing that is worrying you the most? I would say probably may not being good at interviewing. okay. May not being good enough. The interview. Okay. So and when was the last time that you like thinking back to a podcast?

00:11:11:18 - 00:11:31:07
Unknown
Was there a podcast that you listened to when you went, that I listen, yeah. That, you know, did that you did that you listened to and you were a bit probably every single one I've done so far. But I could have done better. Okay. But obviously in the moment I don't. Okay. I don't pick up on those things I guess inexperience of doing it.

00:11:31:07 - 00:11:51:14
Unknown
Okay. All right. So there's lots of stuff here actually. Yeah. Yeah. Because like there's in NFT, what's really interesting and I'm just going aside I would never do this in a session. But this is for the purposes of the demonstration. So within FTX, what we have what we have call a core issues. And they're kind of like the tabletop.

00:11:51:16 - 00:12:16:22
Unknown
So core issues, like things like, you know, on the big, big scale, things like, you know, I'm not lovable. I'm not good enough. you know, you know, you really, really hard on yourself. So what? I'm so I'm not good enough. Would be, like, a tabletop, and then there would be all these past experiences in your life that are the legs holding up that tabletop.

00:12:16:24 - 00:12:41:02
Unknown
So, for example, we would say, you know, I screwed that up. I screwed this up. And but it goes all the way back to primary school. You know, the teacher gave me my test back and said, you know, this isn't good enough. Jack. You could have done better. And so we get this program from a very young age, from from parents inadvertently and, you know, from society, etc..

00:12:41:04 - 00:13:09:07
Unknown
And so we have this big long tabletop. So like for me as a practitioner, I would probably in, set a goal over five, five, 5 or 6 sessions with you about wanting to change the intensity of that core belief for you. So, for example, your core belief might be, I'm not a good podcast. I'm not very good at podcasting or interviews.

00:13:09:07 - 00:13:31:07
Unknown
Right. So how true for that for you? Would that be 0 to 100%? yeah, probably 5050, 50%. So 50% true at this stage. Right? Okay. So what we would then do is we try to set a goal of maybe what would be a realistic goal for you to feel a little bit more confident in your podcasting abilities.

00:13:31:07 - 00:13:56:05
Unknown
Where would you think you might go? I guess exposure, I, I guess previously I've interviewed people that are comfortable for me. Yeah. this is probably the most uncomfortable what I've done. Not not in the situation, but more that we haven't had a lot of prior knowledge of each other. Yeah, yeah. so that would. Yeah. Okay.

00:13:56:05 - 00:14:21:14
Unknown
So, like, for you to feel more comfortable as a podcast interviewer. anything below 50% would put you in a winning. Yeah. So, so what we do as a practitioner, then we would say, okay, let's try to shave 10 to 10% off that core belief that I'm not very good at interviewing. Right. Something like that. So then from there we would then set a session goal.

00:14:21:14 - 00:14:45:05
Unknown
So that would be like a five session goal. Right? So what we would have to do over five sessions is we would we would target specific elements of where you have felt that in the past. Yeah. Okay. And then I would and what it might drill down to. And maybe in the fourth or fifth session, I would say.

00:14:45:05 - 00:15:07:17
Unknown
And do you have an early memory of this. Right. So then we could go then to that. So the idea that we would have like instant relief from this particular issue would be that would be in a non non realistic sort of demonstration. But it's a really good question. Yeah. Because exactly what you're asking about is this is everyone's like major issue isn't it.

00:15:07:17 - 00:15:34:04
Unknown
Right. Fear of failure fear you know not being good enough. And and so you know the traditional approaches to changing your thoughts. Right. The CBT, the gold standard, it's wonderful. Right. So okay, Jack, put that thought down like I'm not a very good podcast. Interviewer. Okay. How true is that? I want you to be a detective and then challenge your thoughts and then, oh, you change your thought.

00:15:34:04 - 00:15:52:13
Unknown
How does it feel? But oftentimes people who are stuck in their head, right. Yeah. They in they're in that loop. Oh, I should change my thought. And then there's all of a sudden they're beating themselves up for changing of thought. What I love about it is that you working with a practitioner, and then as you notice those thoughts are coming back up.

00:15:52:19 - 00:16:17:16
Unknown
You're just riding the wave of that feeling, even though I have this worry, you know, and then that I'm actually not very good at interviewing and because I asked a really dumb question. So what I would do with you in this session is we would get really specific about one element of a time in one of your interviews where you went, oh, that was terrible, right?

00:16:17:16 - 00:16:41:18
Unknown
And we would then process that particular memory or emotion or thought. And from there we would hopefully reduce it from a six out of ten in that very specific element. And we're just taking away a one leg from the table top ten. And eventually we might hit 4 or 5 other. And then all of a sudden it the table top collapses.

00:16:41:20 - 00:17:21:16
Unknown
Now some people and the older you are, the harder it is to go through because there's so many experiences, which is why I love working with adolescents. Yeah, they're they're a little bit the tables are not they don't have as many legs. so that's the idea and the, the problem with the apps, the problem with the YouTube self-guided is that we're only seeing what's on the surface at the moment, but what's underneath holding in that worry are all our past experiences and what might be, you know, like if you're if you're tapping on for, for example, you know, somebody this is one.

00:17:21:18 - 00:17:39:17
Unknown
So I threw out my training. I worked with a lot of adult women because it was Covid, and a lot of my friends were lockdown like me. So we were, you know, I'm so mad at my husband because he left the towels on the floor, and I'm sick of picking them up to get really specific, I'm tapping along, going, this isn't about the towels on the floor right?

00:17:39:19 - 00:18:01:04
Unknown
The me it's not telling me floor right. The issue is, he doesn't respect me or I don't. He doesn't listen to me. So then we would go from that is the major issue, and then we would probably end up going back to her childhood where this occurred with parents or, you know, intimate partners or in previous relationships, etc..

00:18:01:06 - 00:18:21:21
Unknown
So it's what is presented. You can get some relief and we can we could probably tap you down to about a three, but we couldn't really get to a zero, which is where we want to be with the U of T, unless we went through all these other elements, if that makes sense. Yeah. So yeah. So it's, but it's not just listen, follow along.

00:18:21:21 - 00:18:45:09
Unknown
It's. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. So I think, look, the thing that I absolutely love about it is that it is a tool for people to just sit with a feeling in a safe way, and it calms the body down. And what it does is it's just trying to reduce your stress. So even if you don't have the words right.

00:18:45:09 - 00:19:01:20
Unknown
So some of the homework that I give students is that I just want them to tap. Right. You notice, oh my, my stomach's going like that when I look at my chemistry book. All right. Let's just tap just tap on the body. It's another hack of calming your body down before you do something that you don't want to do.

00:19:01:23 - 00:19:35:14
Unknown
You know, like procrastination is littered with with. It's uncomfortable feeling. So let's avoid them. This is a tool to help people with uncomfortable feelings. So that's what I really love about it. Yeah. now I've gone on a bit of a tangent. So the live demonstration didn't didn't happen. But I think to be, you know, to, adequately represent the clinical EFT and the evidence basically of t I have to put those caveats in there that, that it's, you know, so it has to be something like minor.

00:19:35:16 - 00:20:01:17
Unknown
Yeah. You know, like a minor irritation as a demonstration. so, you know, and it could, you know, like. Yeah, it's a so for example, I don't know, it could be. Yeah, it could just be. I'm not really sure what you could, could it based, like, something that annoys me when I go to the gym here.

00:20:01:17 - 00:20:18:10
Unknown
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The gym's always dirty. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yes. You are a cleaner, Jack. I have noticed that. Yes. Okay. I just like to work out in a clean. Yeah. Okay. So is it the dirt or the messiness is that the weights are not put away, or is it?

00:20:18:12 - 00:20:40:11
Unknown
it's probably like the dirt. The machines are covered in sweat. the machines are covered in sweat. yes. So this is something we're going to do some board benefits for me because I completely agree with. So. Okay. So. And is there a particular machine that's covered in sweat the most that you think of, the stair climber or the stair climber?

00:20:40:13 - 00:21:07:23
Unknown
okay. Yeah. So people are on the stair climber and they're not wiping themselves. They're not wiping it down after they're done drip all over the place. And then that's. And I've got to clean it before I get on. Right. Okay. So I hear you. That is a really gross and disgusting thing. Yeah. Okay. So thinking about this last time it happened was that was that yesterday all that, as today.

00:21:07:23 - 00:21:33:05
Unknown
I'll get a jump on it today. This morning. but I just finished my workout early because I just couldn't have been bothered to clean it before I jumped on. how? Okay, so when you think about that, how does that make you feel? What's the feeling? probably anxious because I wanted to do something, and then I feel like I couldn't do it, so, you know, probably shouldn't stop me doing it, but then I, you know, I didn't do it, so it's not that anxious of doing something I should have done, but I didn't.

00:21:33:11 - 00:21:52:23
Unknown
Okay. Doing something you should have done. But you didn't because you're you. And that made you feel anxious. Yeah. Okay. All right. So 0 to 10. How intense is that anxious feeling when you think that you should have done a workout, but you didn't because there was sweat all over the machine? Yeah, probably. Look around this about seven, 5 or 6, 5 or 6.

00:21:52:23 - 00:22:12:13
Unknown
Yeah. Fair enough. And where do you feel that in your body. probably like here in your. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. In your chest area. Okay. So is that like, is it like a fluttery feeling? Is it like a tightness? Is it a heaviness? People describe it. it's probably more just like a fluttery, a fluttery feeling in your chest.

00:22:12:13 - 00:22:30:14
Unknown
Okay. All right. So we're going to start and you want to tap along as well. So the first I'm going to go through exactly where the points are to start off with. And then we'll say the words after that. So you take two fingers or you can take three fingers. I use four. And you're basically tapping on just on the side of your hand right here.

00:22:30:16 - 00:22:54:07
Unknown
Yeah. And it doesn't really matter what hand you use it, you can switch it up. so this is the first point, the tapping. And so you can usually tap, you know, maybe ten times. and then the next point after we say the three statements is on the top of the head. And so there's a, you kind of have to stay at the top of the head.

00:22:54:07 - 00:23:14:18
Unknown
Now, doctor Peter Stapleton starts at the top of the eyebrow. It it doesn't really matter. I learned EFT international. We start at the top of the head. She ends with the top of the head. the Austrian, a lot of the Australian. It's all saying eight points. Okay. The next part is like the corner of the eyebrow. Now, some people might just tap with two fingers.

00:23:14:18 - 00:23:34:14
Unknown
They might tap on one side, eye tap on both sides. It's just how I learned and I just like it. But it's you'll see Doctor Peter Stapleton and other people just tapping with one hand, and that's perfectly fine as well. And we want to try to keep our eyes open when we're tapping. Okay. And the next is on the side of the eye.

00:23:34:16 - 00:23:56:24
Unknown
That's the next point here. And we're just going to take slow breaths. So as we're doing this. And the next point is underneath the eye just hit that sort of soft pad right there. And after that we're going to go underneath the nose.

00:23:57:01 - 00:24:03:12
Unknown
And then underneath the lip in between the chin.

00:24:03:14 - 00:24:24:03
Unknown
And then this one is just underneath the collarbone. So it's kind of like there's the collarbone there. And there's just two spots there. You can use one hand or two. And then the next one is it's about four inches down. That's my American, Canadian underneath here. Sort of like if you're wearing a bra that's where the top of your bra would be.

00:24:24:03 - 00:24:48:16
Unknown
Jack. Right along there. And that is essentially a round of tapping. So let's try now normally I when I'm with a client I'll take notes because, when we're tapping, we use the exact words that the client has said. So it's very important that I'm, that what I'm tapping on is exactly the truth for you. That I haven't changed the words or I haven't assumed anything.

00:24:48:18 - 00:25:11:03
Unknown
So normally, as you're talking, I would take notes, I would say like, and I would use words like, sometimes it's swear words, sometimes it's all sorts of things. but. Yeah. So, so if we could go back. So just start tapping. So and the setup statement that I'll say, we say it three times for whatever reason, Gary Craig believe that that was the most powerful way to address the issue.

00:25:11:05 - 00:25:36:03
Unknown
So, and it was anxiety because you couldn't get your workout in because it had sweat all over it. The stepping machine specifically this morning. And that made you feel anxious. So I couldn't finish my work because you couldn't finish your workout. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So so as I say, this statement, if there's anything that doesn't ring true, you just change the words exactly how it makes it resonates with you.

00:25:36:03 - 00:26:01:07
Unknown
That's why I say with every, every client. So we start off with, even though I just repeat after me, even though I have this anxious feeling, I have this anxious feeling, and I feel it as if this fluttery ness in my chest or a fluttery feeling. I feel it in my chest as a fluttery feeling. Yeah. When I think about this morning, when I think, think about this morning at the gym, at the gym, I couldn't complete my workout.

00:26:01:08 - 00:26:20:23
Unknown
I couldn't complete my workout. There was sweat all over the steps machine the sweat all over stepping machine, and I couldn't be bothered cleaning it. And I couldn't be bothered cleaning it again. Again, because I always have to. Because I always have to. Yeah. Okay. Is that does that all sound right? Yeah. Okay. So take a breath in.

00:26:21:00 - 00:26:43:02
Unknown
I'm doing my best to accept myself anyways. I'll do the best to accept myself anyway. Yeah. Okay, so some people don't want to accept themselves with their feelings. So we say like we can you can use all sorts of things. Like I accept myself anyway, or it's just where I'm at right now for something like this. How does it feel to try to accept yourself that you have that anxious feeling?

00:26:43:04 - 00:26:59:21
Unknown
It feels. It feels okay. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. All right, all right. So we'll just keep saying so even though even though I have this anxious feeling, I have this anxious feeling when I think about being at the gym this morning, when I think about being at the gym this morning, and there was sweat all over the machine and the sweat all over the machine again, again.

00:26:59:21 - 00:27:18:13
Unknown
And I couldn't finish my workout and I couldn't finish the workout. And I feel this in my chest and I feel this in my chest. But that's just the truth for now. And that's just the truth for me. And I accept myself anyway. And I accept myself anyway. Okay? And then I take a breath in. Oh, right. Okay.

00:27:18:15 - 00:27:37:02
Unknown
Even though even though I have this anxious feeling, I have this anxious feeling when I think about being at the gym this morning. When I think about being at the gym this morning, it was sweat all over the machine, sweat all over the machine, and I couldn't complete my workout and I couldn't complete my workout. And I have this feeling in my chest, and I have this feeling in my chest.

00:27:37:08 - 00:28:00:04
Unknown
That's just the truth for now. That's just the truth for now. And I accept myself anyway. And I accept myself anyway. Okay, so now we're going to tap around the points, and we're just going to use the feeling as the reminder phrase. So you go this anxious feeling, this anxious feeling and then just take a breath in.

00:28:00:06 - 00:28:12:22
Unknown
This anxious feeling, this anxious feeling. This anxious feeling. Anxious feeling.

00:28:12:24 - 00:28:25:03
Unknown
This anxious feeling. This anxious feeling. This anxious feeling. This anxious feeling.

00:28:25:05 - 00:28:30:22
Unknown
This anxious feeling. Anxious feeling.

00:28:30:24 - 00:28:39:19
Unknown
This anxious feeling. This anxious feeling. And the breath in.

00:28:39:21 - 00:28:57:21
Unknown
And this anxious feeling. Anxious feeling okay. There we go. Now you can take a sip of water, which is actually another little hack to calm the nervous system down. And hydration is really important when you're tapping.

00:28:57:23 - 00:29:22:02
Unknown
So, so just tuning in and 0 to 10, how intense is that anxiety? Or sometimes those different aspects or thoughts that come up? Yeah, I still wish I did it, but I just that when when I think about it, the tightness in the well, the fluttering in the chest is in the head. Wow. Yeah. Okay, great. Okay. So 0 to 10.

00:29:22:02 - 00:29:41:20
Unknown
How intense is that anxiety now I'd say about a 4 or 5. A 4 or 5. Yeah okay. Cool. So what's left over in that 4 or 5. in the negative way. Like what? What might be still. Oh, it's just like I wanted to get assessed done because I knew raising my heart rate in that moment would give me a better feeling.

00:29:41:22 - 00:30:07:14
Unknown
And I'd complete my workout. And my workout still feels incomplete. Okay, so. And is it still anxiety or is it is there a different feeling? just the anxious, like the flutter area, the flow in my chest around not being able to finish it? Okay, so even though even though I still have this anxious feeling, I still have this anxious feeling when I think about this morning, when I think about this morning, because it's good to get your heart rate up, because it's good to get your heart rate up.

00:30:07:14 - 00:30:25:15
Unknown
And I wasn't able to complete my workout and I wasn't able to complete my workout because of the sweat on a separate machine, because of the sweat on the stepping machine. Is that all sound good? Yeah, okay. But I accept myself anyway. But I accept myself anyway because it's just the truth for now. Because it's just the truth for now.

00:30:25:18 - 00:30:42:19
Unknown
That's right. Okay, so even though I have this anxious feeling, even though I have this anxious feeling when I think about the gym this morning, when I think about the gym this morning, I couldn't complete my workout. I couldn't complete my workout. I know getting my heart rate up is really good for my fitness. I know getting my heart rate up is really good for my fitness, and I couldn't do it.

00:30:43:00 - 00:31:08:00
Unknown
And I couldn't do it because of the sweat on the machine. I couldn't do it because of the sweat on the machine. And that's just where I'm at right now. And that's just for now. Yeah. And I accept myself anyway. And I accept myself anyway. I take a breath in. So even though I have this anxious feeling, even though I have this anxious feeling that I didn't get to complete my workout, I didn't get to complete my workout.

00:31:08:02 - 00:31:30:22
Unknown
It's just the truth for now. It's just the truth for now. And I accept myself anyway. And I accept myself anyway. I get this anxious feeling, this anxious feeling. Now, sometimes when you're doing this on your own, you would just repeat the emotions. But I feel like we can, we can. Sometimes clinicians will add in some of the elements from what you spoke about.

00:31:30:22 - 00:31:47:19
Unknown
Yeah. You say the sweat on the machine. The sweat on machine. Yeah. I couldn't complete my workout, couldn't complete my workout just right here on the side of the eyes, a spot. Yeah, I know it's good to get my heart rate up. And now it's good to get my heart rate. But I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.

00:31:47:21 - 00:31:55:08
Unknown
Makes me feel anxious. Makes me feel anxious.

00:31:55:10 - 00:32:18:02
Unknown
This anxious feeling. This anxious feeling. This anxious feeling, this anxious feeling. And another slow breath in. This anxious feeling. This anxious feeling. Okay, cool. Have some water.

00:32:18:04 - 00:32:39:16
Unknown
Now he's finding this back. I feel really relaxed. Very cool. That's really good. Really relaxed I don't know. Yeah I do, just like, in general, I feel like I subconsciously do tap or not in the sequence, but I often do this like, oh my collarbone. Yeah. And I didn't know until today that that was like, actually there's a probably a reason for that.

00:32:39:16 - 00:33:05:09
Unknown
Right that I gravitate towards here. Yes, yes. Yeah. So I really like it. It's really relaxing. Very cool. That's good. Yeah. That's good. So going back to you, Jack, how are you feeling right now when you think about that issue. Yeah. Much better. Cool. It's when you sit with it and you go through those points, it's just like, I don't know, you start worrying about it in that anxious way.

00:33:05:09 - 00:33:23:24
Unknown
Like, I know it's still there and you know, I missed it, but I'm not anxious that I didn't get to finish my workout. Yeah. Like, you know that health benefits that's still going to be there next time. Yeah. Yeah. So 0 to 10 how intense is the anxiety. Yeah. Probably like a 2 or 3 a 2 or 3 okay.

00:33:24:01 - 00:33:40:09
Unknown
Well the the goal is like a 0 or 1. So just thinking about that 2 or 3, what else is left over, do you think?

00:33:40:11 - 00:34:09:13
Unknown
I'd say it's just. Yeah. Me not getting the health benefits from not getting the health benefits. Okay, so because of somebody else like to I, I'm wondering I'm, I'm curious that if it's just about you not getting the health benefits or is it somebody stopping you from getting health benefits or like what, what part is left over? Because, you know, sometimes what happens when you get to the end.

00:34:09:14 - 00:34:35:14
Unknown
Yeah. Is there might be sometimes that anxiety can go and I'm I would never say this to a client. I'm just stepping out like, sometimes the anxiety is it is anger, right. Or frustration. And but we've been programed to like not feeling angry and just be nice and and so and so, you know, to allow yourself to actually go there.

00:34:35:14 - 00:35:00:09
Unknown
So sometimes it's this lingering element that you like, you know. Yeah. Okay. Or it feels disrespectful that, you know, like anyway. So with with in a normal session with really good questioning. Yeah. I could get to that. you know that aspect. But like it says, it can take an hour to go through one aspect because or sorry, one issue because there's multiple aspects to the one issue.

00:35:00:11 - 00:35:21:23
Unknown
Yeah. Right. So I'm wondering if there's anything else that. Yeah I guess I feel angry because the person for me didn't do it. And I know it's so easy to do. let's tap on that okay. So even though I have this anger even though I have this anger and where's that in your body, Jack? in my chest.

00:35:22:00 - 00:35:44:07
Unknown
In my chest. Okay. the person before me left the sweat. The person before me left the sweat. And it's so easy to clean. They didn't. And it's so easy to clean, and I didn't. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. And that makes me feel angry. And that makes me feel angry. Yeah. Because then I couldn't do my workout because I couldn't do my.

00:35:44:09 - 00:36:08:19
Unknown
All right, take a breath in. But that's just where I'm at for now. And that's just where I'm at for now. And I accept myself anyway. And I accept myself anyway. Okay, so even though even though I have this anger, I have this anger when I think about the person who didn't wipe down the machine. When I think about this person that didn't walk down this stepping machine so easy to do, it's so easy to do.

00:36:08:19 - 00:36:25:17
Unknown
And they didn't and they didn't, and I couldn't workout and I couldn't finish my workout. That's that's just where I'm at is where I'm at. And I accept myself anyway. And I accept myself anyway. I'm doing great. Okay, so even though I have this anger, even though I have this anger, the person could have easily cleaned off the machine.

00:36:25:22 - 00:36:48:19
Unknown
The person could have easily cleaned off the machine. So easy to do, so easy to them. They didn't and they didn't. And I didn't want to and I didn't want to. And so I miss my workout and I miss my workout. I accept myself anyway and I accept myself. And again, this angry feeling, this angry feeling, leaving the sweat on the machine, leaving the sweat on the machine.

00:36:48:20 - 00:37:19:12
Unknown
It's so easy to clean. It's so easy to clean. But they didn't. They didn't. This angry feeling, this angry feeling, this angry feeling, this angry feeling. This angry feeling. This angry feeling is actually one more angry point that I like to use. That Gary Craig, the originator, is underneath the ribs. It kind of reminds me of being like a gorilla that's having this angry feeling, this angry feeling.

00:37:19:12 - 00:37:42:14
Unknown
It's a good one for anger. Okay, I'll just stay there for another little bit, take a breath in. And we'll end this. The talk right here. This angry feeling. This angry feeling. Okay, I'll take another sip of water.

00:37:42:16 - 00:38:14:04
Unknown
Sometimes, if it's not dropping, the client is actually quite dehydrated. You actually need the water to help with the vascular system that's calming your body down. Yeah. Okay, so yeah, my. It feels good in my chest. Fantastic. Yeah. Okay. So 0 to 10. Yeah. 0A0. Okay. Right. It just yeah I feel relaxed. It's fantastic. That's really good. So now what I like to do is test.

00:38:14:06 - 00:38:36:12
Unknown
Because what I want you to do is close your eyes. And so there's different ways of testing. We're good at test. So I want you to close your eyes and imagine you're staring at that sweaty machine this morning. Okay. Is there anything coming up for you right now? Anything left over? No, nothing. Okay, that I can say it, but it's fine.

00:38:36:14 - 00:39:00:21
Unknown
Great. Okay. Open your eyes now. Well, that works really well. Let's get to that demonstration. Because sometimes what happens is, you know, they close their eyes and they go, oh, no, their eyes. It's, It makes me so sad or whatever. There's another, another aspect or another element to it. so. And sometimes people just want to like, they want to if they're little people pleasers.

00:39:00:21 - 00:39:25:24
Unknown
The poor thing is, you know, they want it. They want to be seeing. And then I go, no, no, just close your eyes and stare at that method's textbook. Right. And, oh, no, I'm going to fail, you know? And then we go back and we just keep tapping until the elements are all going. so, yeah, it's important to test at the end, which is, you know, so it's your, it's a basically your perceived, stress level, which is, you know, the 0 to 10.

00:39:26:01 - 00:40:00:11
Unknown
and when you're working with a practitioner, you know, they through questioning can help you discover other aspects that might be bothering you, which is why working with a practitioner at the start is really important. So you can you know, for example, if you went back to the gym and you went to, let's say it was now at the the leg press machine, and there was sweat all over that, and you noticed that your chest was getting that you could go to the bathroom and do some tapping, going, oh, now the sweat on the like machine.

00:40:00:11 - 00:40:22:14
Unknown
I'm so sick and tired of like, you know, and you could tap, even though I have this anger, the sweat on the like machine, I accept myself anyway. So I've taught you how to calm your body down when you have that arousal, from that, that negative stress response from a situation. So that's the beauty of it, is that I'm not asking you to change your thought and look at it in a different way.

00:40:22:18 - 00:40:44:23
Unknown
No, I'm saying here's your feeling. Here's a tool. Recognize it in your body and let it out. You know, accept yourself anyway. So that's that's what's really powerful about EFT. It's a tool to ride the wave of an emotion because all emotions are valid and normal, right? They're all valid and normal. I was literally about to say that.

00:40:44:23 - 00:41:05:11
Unknown
Yeah, I just feel like it's still there. But, it's my emotions. It's not like I'm trying to get rid of them. Yeah. It's there and that's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's a safe and gentle way. And so I mean look so I mean I haven't described but like I work in school. So I've been working in schools for since 1999.

00:41:05:13 - 00:41:31:09
Unknown
And I started off as a teacher. And then I went into do my master's in student well-being, which is sort of half counseling, half policy work. And then I did every short course possible available and counseling, you know, using learning CBT, motivational interviewing, DVT therapy. I learned all of the modalities on those trainings and I implemented them and use them in they're good.

00:41:31:09 - 00:41:54:19
Unknown
But in a school setting, I'm dealing with a lot of mental health first day. So kids in crisis are coming in with panic attacks. And in the past. So prior to becoming a clinician, I some kids I just couldn't calm you couldn't do anything. They just had to go home. I couldn't go back to class. They would come in, they'd had a panic attack, not even sure what the trigger was.

00:41:54:21 - 00:42:22:04
Unknown
They would just have to go home. And then when I said, hey, do you want to try this crazy thing? And they're just crying or whatever? Now we never add the words and we're literally just tapping and breathing. We're tapping and grounding. So we're doing the five things you can say for things you can hear. We're using. We're still doing that, but we're tapping along because when often kids, when they're starting to have a panic attack or even adults, for example, the panic is with the breathing and then they're told, just breathe.

00:42:22:04 - 00:42:44:06
Unknown
And then it's just like this horrible cycle where they can't breathe. I don't know how to be. So I don't forget the breathing. I don't say any slow breaths. I'm literally just tapping with them. And honestly, and I don't mean to brag, but in 15 minutes I can get kids back to class. So and this is actually how Doctor Peter Stapleton discovered is that she was running clinical.

00:42:44:08 - 00:43:05:04
Unknown
she was a student psychologist and she was in there was an eating disorder group, and this girl had this sort of episode of feeling quite heightened. And this guy, one of the other psychology students, took her outside and then brought her back really quickly and talked to Peter or Peter. Stapleton said, what did you do? And he said, I did this tapping thing that was so quick.

00:43:05:04 - 00:43:31:03
Unknown
So that was really fascinating that, you know, this is how it started. And then then she did all this incredible research around food cravings and then, pain. And now she's doing all sorts of clinical trials. and she's got a whole she teaches it at the Bond University and the Gold Coast. So it has all these, particular, you know, physiological changes in the body that they have measured.

00:43:31:05 - 00:43:55:12
Unknown
so it's not just your perception. So you're telling me right now that you're, you know, their perception is that you have reduced your stress, which is what we really need. But on a scientific level, we, you know, we test the saliva of people pre and post intervention. And, you know, there's a 37 I'll just go to get that statistic correct I think I think it's right 37% decrease in saliva.

00:43:55:14 - 00:44:19:16
Unknown
is there a cortisol that was tested from the saliva after one hour tapping session. It was pretty incredible. And this is in a group. Right. And that's a double blind placebo controlled trial that was replicated. you know, we have, immune system markers down, but, you know, up by 113%. So you want immune system markers up, you know, following interventions and, blood pressure down.

00:44:19:16 - 00:44:47:20
Unknown
So that's, that's pretty incredible. And it's applicable to all sorts of stress related presentations. So, so people that are listening along, whether they got kids and they want to help their kids with this or for themselves, where should they start? Yeah. Look, I think the best place to start is through an accredited, practitioner, I believe. And so how would somebody go?

00:44:47:20 - 00:45:04:20
Unknown
Yeah. So they can they can. Look, doctor Peter Stapleton is, And I can leave the link in the show notes, etc.. She's the person that you start with. I'm not at the moment, I'm not doing private practice because I'm a full time in a school, and I was doing both. And then with my daughter in, year 12, it was pretty hard.

00:45:04:24 - 00:45:30:03
Unknown
I love working in a school environment because you've got that team and you've got that, you know, I, I just love working with adolescents. so there are through EMT international and also through evidence based EMT through Doctor Peter Stephanie's website, there's a link to, practitioners that are fully trained. And what you want is somebody who's trauma informed, who've done the trauma training practice as well.

00:45:30:03 - 00:46:02:14
Unknown
And, and yeah, they're linked to a research, a research, facility like, you know, Bonds University or through anyone through PhD international that has done the full practitioner training is also, you know, good. But you'll find that, EMT practitioners generally choose a niche and, and focus on a particular area. So you've got experts who are there, social workers, a psychologist they might work with, eating disorders of food.

00:46:02:14 - 00:46:38:21
Unknown
And there's other practitioners that just work with, let's say, adolescents or children. you know, it's been it's also evidence based practice for PTSD. so people have worked with veterans. and, and in some of the trauma, you know, unfortunately, communities that are affected by trauma, so, yeah, I think that the best way to go about it is to, is to look up through she's got recommendation of different practitioner on her list and then they have other lists of.

00:46:38:23 - 00:47:06:03
Unknown
Yeah. And unfortunately there's not a lot in Melbourne if you want to in person. seems to be a lot of practitioners that are but online is, is is a really good modality. It's just adolescents don't like being online. So that's why, you know, and the funny thing about this modality is that, you know, when a parent says, you know, you need therapy, right?

00:47:06:03 - 00:47:20:11
Unknown
And so then first of all, that's a terrible thing for an adolescent to hear. And then they say, oh, we want you to see this person, and they're going to do this tapping. And they just roll their eyes and go, are you kidding me? This is the most move thing and so stupid. And they don't want to be there anyway.

00:47:20:13 - 00:47:41:01
Unknown
So it's a bit trickier to get a parent to bring a kid to do EMT tapping. Whereas in the high school they're just coming on their own and then they know me and they go, oh, can we do that weird tapping thing? Yeah, yeah, we can do the tap. So yeah. So and then I've got the kids, because you can tap through these finger points in your body.

00:47:41:03 - 00:47:58:13
Unknown
that also can, you know, help calm your body down. So I've got kids doing you can I can see kids and they can see them tapping on the side of their hand, or they're, you know, they're just standing in a group and they might have some social anxiety. And I'm like, I can see them just tapping. They're not tapping through all eight points, but they're stimulating some of this point to self-soothe.

00:47:58:13 - 00:48:19:21
Unknown
And to kind of ride the wave of whatever the feeling is they have within the classroom. So if you get it at the start, when they might notice that I might be having a panic attack or feeling nervous, it's yeah, it's really, really good. Very interesting. Yeah. Well, thank you very much for that. I feel much more relaxed that's getting to some more podcasting.

00:48:19:23 - 00:48:21:04
Unknown
so. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks again.

00:48:26:22 - 00:48:37:11
Unknown
Down.